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Starting: Mon Jan 11 1999 - 09:44:05 PST
Ending: Tue Oct 04 2005 - 16:11:19 PDT

• Another BTF error - Section 5.5 "Race conditions"
  • Daryl Stewart (Mon Sep 29 1997 - 07:23:42 PDT)
• B17 - Separate compilation capability - extern module
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:03:30 PDT)
• B19 - Cadence Signed Arithmetic Proposal
  • Thomas Fitzpatrick (Tue Oct 21 1997 - 12:25:27 PDT)
• B19 - Signed arithmetic
  • Vivek Sagdeo (Fri May 09 1997 - 10:34:29 PDT)
  • Elliot Mednick (Fri May 09 1997 - 11:58:32 PDT)
  • mac@silicon-sorcery.com (Fri May 09 1997 - 13:42:49 PDT)
• B19 - Signed Arithmetic Proposal
  • Stuart Sutherland (Tue Dec 09 1997 - 09:45:45 PST)
  • Thomas Fitzpatrick (Tue Dec 09 1997 - 06:40:49 PST)
• Behavioral Task Force Conference Call
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Aug 07 1997 - 10:00:31 PDT)
  • Eli Sternheim (Thu Aug 07 1997 - 15:05:33 PDT)
  • Elliot Mednick (Thu Aug 07 1997 - 21:08:44 PDT)
  • vsagdeo@veri-log.com (Thu Aug 07 1997 - 21:38:10 PDT)
• Behavioural Task Force Conf Call Agenda
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 09 1997 - 11:17:23 PDT)
• BTF - B08 - Comma separated sensitivity list (like VHDL)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:34:47 PDT)
• BTF - B09 - ANSI Declarations
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 08:00:47 PDT)
• BTF - B10 - Behavioral assignment to wire
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 08:14:46 PDT)
• BTF - B11 - Automatic width extension beyond 32 bits
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 08:22:59 PDT)
• BTF - B12 - Continuous assignment case expressions
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 08:28:14 PDT)
• BTF - B13 - Mutable bit selects
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 08:52:55 PDT)
• BTF - B14 - Initial assignments in register
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 08:56:21 PDT)
• BTF - B15 - Built-in sizeof(x) function
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:02:00 PDT)
• BTF - B16 - Access to last specified bit
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:02:30 PDT)
• BTF - B18 - Separate compilation capability - extern module
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:04:49 PDT)
• BTF - B19- Cadence signed arithmetic proposal
  • Adam Krolnik (Mon Sep 29 1997 - 01:02:27 PDT)
  • Thomas Fitzpatrick (Tue Sep 23 1997 - 15:29:11 PDT)
  • Eli Sternheim (Wed Sep 24 1997 - 10:15:26 PDT)
  • Adam Krolnik (Thu Sep 25 1997 - 02:23:23 PDT)
  • Thomas Fitzpatrick (Thu Sep 25 1997 - 14:26:58 PDT)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:55:05 PDT)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:07:55 PDT)
  • Thomas Fitzpatrick (Wed May 07 1997 - 07:14:21 PDT)
  • Elliot Mednick (Wed May 07 1997 - 08:36:07 PDT)
  • mac@silicon-sorcery.com (Wed May 07 1997 - 10:10:42 PDT)
  • mac@silicon-sorcery.com (Wed May 07 1997 - 11:04:28 PDT)
• BTF - B20 - Pullup/pulldown optional X-drive time
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:08:58 PDT)
• BTF - B21 - Automatic initialization of integers to 0
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:01:27 PDT)
• BTF - B22 - Define an algorithm for $random()
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:06:57 PDT)
• BTF - B23 - Constant functions
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 09:06:30 PDT)
• BTF - B24 - `ifndef
  • Thomas Fitzpatrick (Tue May 06 1997 - 13:52:26 PDT)
• BTF - B24 - Add `ifndef conditional compilation
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:56:37 PDT)
• BTF - B25 - Add struct / record data types
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:57:03 PDT)
• BTF - B26 - bit selects of elements in arrayed structures
  • Adam Krolnik (Thu Oct 09 1997 - 03:17:52 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Oct 09 1997 - 13:23:00 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Oct 29 1997 - 10:47:21 PST)
• BTF - BE01 - Annex A - simple_identifier error
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:48:44 PDT)
• BTF - BE02 - Annex A - $nocheck clarification
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:50:05 PDT)
• BTF - BE03 - Section 13.3.3 typo
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:50:29 PDT)
• BTF - BE04 - Section 13.3.2 - output_identifier clarification
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:50:53 PDT)
• BTF - BE05 - Truncated 12-value list_of_path_expressions
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:51:16 PDT)
• BTF - BE06 - Section 13.1 - specify_item typo
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:51:38 PDT)
• BTF - BE07 - Section 14.5.11 - timing_check problems
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:52:03 PDT)
• BTF - BE08 - Annex A.8 - Embedded spaces clarification
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:52:31 PDT)
• BTF - BE09 - Section 8.1 - edge_symbol omission
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:52:51 PDT)
• BTF - BE10 - Section 9.6 - looping_statements typo
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:53:16 PDT)
• BTF - BE11 - Section 8.1.5 - supported issues
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:53:39 PDT)
• BTF - BE12 - Section 9.7 - delay_or_event_control omission
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:54:19 PDT)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 10:11:46 PDT)
• BTF - BE13 - Section 5.6.3 Errata
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Aug 20 1997 - 07:25:13 PDT)
• BTF - BE14 - Missing tasks in list
  • Anders Nordstrom (Mon Aug 11 1997 - 13:18:38 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Aug 12 1997 - 09:38:36 PDT)
• BTF - BE15 - $fopen() on MCD is unclear
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Aug 20 1997 - 07:25:45 PDT)
• BTF - BE16 - $timeformat paragraph poorly written
  • Anders Nordstrom (Mon Aug 11 1997 - 13:25:08 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Aug 12 1997 - 09:39:46 PDT)
• BTF - BE17 - Can functions contain immediate non blocking assignments
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Aug 12 1997 - 08:14:38 PDT)
• BTF - BE18 - Hierarchical references
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Aug 20 1997 - 07:26:50 PDT)
  • Ted Elkind (Wed Aug 20 1997 - 09:26:20 PDT)
  • Eli Sternheim (Wed Aug 20 1997 - 18:01:02 PDT)
  • Eli Sternheim (Wed Aug 20 1997 - 18:14:58 PDT)
• BTF - BE19 - length of logical not
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:53 PDT)
• BTF - BE20 - inter_assignment_timing_control_statement
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:53 PDT)
• BTF - BE21 - hierarchical instance names versus module names
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:54 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:25:02 PDT)
• BTF - BE22 - defparams versus mipva
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:54 PDT)
• BTF - BE23 - 12.2 and 12.2.2 conflict
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:54 PDT)
• BTF - BE24 - multiple defparams not mentioned
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:54 PDT)
• BTF - BE25 - Ranges disallowed for integer type.
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:55 PDT)
• BTF - BE26 - mintypmax is not an operator
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:55 PDT)
• BTF - BE27 - transition_pair
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:55 PDT)
• BTF - BE28 - transition_pair vs. edge_descriptor
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:55 PDT)
• BTF - BE29 - illegal example of specparam_assignment
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:56 PDT)
• BTF - BE30 - Misuse of shall with trireg_declaration
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:56 PDT)
• BTF - BE31 - net_decl_assignment is missing
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:56 PDT)
• BTF - BE32 - missing switchtypes
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:56 PDT)
• BTF - BE33 - Overly complex syntax for init_val
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:56 PDT)
• BTF - BE34 - can '?' appear as a digit?
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:57 PDT)
• BTF - BE35 - ambiguous grammar for number
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 08:54:57 PDT)
• BTF - BE36 - TOC Errata
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 07:53:49 PDT)
• BTF - BE37 - Section 2.7 Title
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 08:00:05 PDT)
• BTF - BE38 - Section 2.5.1 Incorrect Reference
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 08:06:19 PDT)
• BTF - BE39 - Task I/O Syntax
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 08:16:25 PDT)
• BTF - BE40 - Arrayed Instance Hierarchical References
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:24:44 PDT)
• BTF - BE41 - Section A.6 & A.7 Errata
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:25:18 PDT)
• BTF - BE42 - Signed & Unsigned Keywords
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 09:48:20 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:25:43 PDT)
• BTF - BE43 - Annex A.2 Errata
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 09:54:43 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:25:59 PDT)
• BTF - BE44 - Empty Ports
  • Adam Krolnik (Thu Oct 09 1997 - 20:35:17 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 09:59:03 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:26:17 PDT)
• BTF - BE45 - Behavioral function definition
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 10:08:27 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:26:37 PDT)
• BTF - BE46 - Continuos assignment evaluation
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:03:30 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 13:21:17 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Sep 18 1997 - 06:11:28 PDT)
• BTF - BE47 - Operand changes clarification
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:26:16 PDT)
• BTF - BE48 - Identifier length
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:26:55 PDT)
• BTF - BE49 - Missing system_task_or_function BNF
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:27:25 PDT)
• BTF - BE50 - Incorrect references
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:27:57 PDT)
• BTF - BE51 - Register keyword error
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:28:22 PDT)
• BTF - BE52 - Register initialization value
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:29:21 PDT)
• BTF - BE53 - Unsigned caution error
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:30:10 PDT)
• BTF - BE54 - Unsigned registers
  • vsagdeo@veri-log.com (Fri Sep 26 1997 - 10:01:36 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:30:38 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 13:21:44 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Sep 18 1997 - 06:11:44 PDT)
• BTF - BE55 - Implicit net type definition
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:31:11 PDT)
• BTF - BE56 - Incorrect drive strength name
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:32:03 PDT)
• BTF - BE57 - Vector length storing strings
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:32:58 PDT)
• BTF - BE58 - Self reference
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:33:24 PDT)
• BTF - BE59 - context-determined-expression
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:33:47 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 13:22:01 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Sep 18 1997 - 06:12:07 PDT)
• BTF - BE60 - Assignment equals update
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:34:10 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 13:22:18 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Sep 18 1997 - 06:12:25 PDT)
• BTF - BE61 - Assignment to implicit and explicit nets
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:34:34 PDT)
• BTF - BE62 - Glitch propagation
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:35:00 PDT)
  • Daryl Stewart (Thu Sep 18 1997 - 04:19:34 PDT)
• BTF - BE63 - Repeat count zero
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:39:03 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 13:22:37 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Sep 18 1997 - 06:12:51 PDT)
• BTF - BE64 - Realtional ops
  • Anders Nordstrom (Sat Oct 11 1997 - 15:46:08 PDT)
• BTF - BE65 - Real conversion in expressions
  • mac@silicon-sorcery.com (Mon Oct 27 1997 - 13:43:22 PST)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Mon Oct 27 1997 - 11:02:52 PST)
• BTF - BE66 - Signed and unsigned
  • Anders Nordstrom (Sat Oct 11 1997 - 16:03:57 PDT)
• BTF - BE67 - The non-blocking assignment
  • Anders Nordstrom (Sat Oct 11 1997 - 16:03:51 PDT)
• BTF - List of Enhancement Requests - 970502
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:32:40 PDT)
• BTF 04 - Renetrant tasks solution
  • Vivek Sagdeo (Sun Aug 17 1997 - 17:52:49 PDT)
• BTF 08/08/97 Notes and initial proposals - TOP-5
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Tue Aug 12 1997 - 11:55:59 PDT)
• BTF Conference Call
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Nov 21 1997 - 12:44:17 PST)
• BTF contant function example
  • Kurt Baty (Thu Oct 23 1997 - 19:34:27 PDT)
• BTF Enhancement Request List Summary
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:58:16 PDT)
• BTF Enhancement Request List Summary - 971009
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Oct 09 1997 - 13:22:58 PDT)
• BTF Errata List Summary
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 22 1997 - 10:11:21 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 10:11:17 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Wed Sep 03 1997 - 10:26:54 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Aug 12 1997 - 10:36:17 PDT)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:49:34 PDT)
• BTF Errata List Summary - 970910
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 11:48:51 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 16 1997 - 13:27:05 PDT)
• BTF Errata List Summary - 971011
  • Anders Nordstrom (Sat Oct 11 1997 - 16:15:48 PDT)
• BTF Errata Proposal 2,20,34,38,44,48,51,60,63
  • Anders Nordstrom (Thu Oct 09 1997 - 12:19:12 PDT)
• BTF Minutes - 12/02/97
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 12:24:52 PST)
• BTF Minutes from 10/29
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 09:16:25 PST)
• BTF Nov 7th Rough Notes
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 09:23:15 PST)
• BTF Updates Coming
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Jun 05 1997 - 09:43:21 PDT)
• BTF verilog generate BNF
  • Kurt Baty (Thu Oct 23 1997 - 19:32:37 PDT)
• BTF: Enhancement Request bit selects of elements in arrayed
  • Steve Meyer (Fri Aug 15 1997 - 10:03:11 PDT)
• BTF: Enhancement Request bit selects of elements in arrayed structures
  • Adam Krolnik (Mon Aug 11 1997 - 01:37:12 PDT)
  • Anders Nordstrom (Mon Aug 11 1997 - 12:02:26 PDT)
• Delay w/ spaces
  • Mike McNamara (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 13:25:56 PST)
  • Chris Spear (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 12:56:47 PST)
  • Mike McNamara (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 11:40:17 PST)
  • adamk@cyrix.com (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 10:43:22 PST)
  • Adam Krolnik (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 01:33:51 PST)
• Do not know how to post on behavioral task force reflector
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 16:29:17 PST)
• errata
  • Karen L. Pieper (Wed Nov 26 1997 - 14:31:24 PST)
• FILEIO proposal
  • Adam Krolnik (Sun Sep 28 1997 - 22:48:50 PDT)
• Generate and hierarchical references
  • Adam Krolnik (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 03:11:27 PST)
• Generate Issues
  • mac@silicon-sorcery.com (Fri Oct 31 1997 - 09:07:47 PST)
• Implicit Net Declarations
  • Stuart Sutherland (Thu Dec 11 1997 - 10:05:48 PST)
  • Mike McNamara (Thu Dec 11 1997 - 09:00:03 PST)
  • Shalom Bresticker (Wed Dec 10 1997 - 23:50:09 PST)
• Initial BNF for Recursive tasks and functions
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Thu Sep 11 1997 - 09:39:55 PDT)
• Input Request for V-AMS
  • Dan FitzPatrick (Thu Dec 04 1997 - 15:33:29 PST)
  • Mike McNamara (Wed Dec 03 1997 - 18:37:55 PST)
• Meetings after November 97
  • Anders Nordstrom (Tue Sep 02 1997 - 06:30:03 PDT)
• NEW Behavioral Task Force Conference Call
  • Anders Nordstrom (Fri Aug 08 1997 - 12:37:01 PDT)
• Next Meeting Location
  • Maq Mannan (Mon Dec 08 1997 - 13:40:27 PST)
• Phone Conference 8/8, Meet (Phone Conference) 8/16?
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Wed Jul 02 1997 - 08:48:27 PDT)
• PLI Impact Question
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 12:26:28 PST)
• RE : structs/record in Verilog - full spec
  • Vivek Sagdeo (Tue May 20 1997 - 08:27:09 PDT)
• Signed Verilog, and the BTF conference call
  • mac@silicon-sorcery.com (Wed Sep 10 1997 - 12:15:21 PDT)
• structures/records in Verilog - a new BTF item - Complete Spec
  • Vivek Sagdeo (Thu May 15 1997 - 08:35:48 PDT)
  • Eli Sternheim (Thu May 15 1997 - 10:29:38 PDT)
  • Mark Hummel (Thu May 15 1997 - 14:04:06 PDT)
  • Vivek Sagdeo (Fri May 16 1997 - 08:55:13 PDT)
  • vivek@veri-log.com (Fri May 16 1997 - 10:55:14 PDT)
• Subject: BTF - B01 - Verilog Generate
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:32:41 PDT)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri Aug 08 1997 - 08:57:49 PDT)
• Subject: BTF - B02 - Multidimensional Arrays
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:32:43 PDT)
• Subject: BTF - B03 - Enhance Verilog File I/O
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:32:43 PDT)
• Subject: BTF - B04 - Re-entrant Tasks
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:32:44 PDT)
• Subject: BTF - B05 - Verilog Configuration Capability
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:32:39 PDT)
• Subject: BTF - B06 - Parameter passing by name (explicit & implicit)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:33:34 PDT)
• Subject: BTF - B07- Comma separated sensitivity list (like VHDL)
  • Clifford E. Cummings (Fri May 02 1997 - 07:34:06 PDT)
• Transport delay events
  • Steve Meyer (Fri Sep 12 1997 - 09:12:05 PDT)
• Transport delay for events
  • Ted Elkind (Wed Sep 10 1997 - 08:39:50 PDT)
  • Adam Krolnik (Tue Sep 09 1997 - 03:22:53 PDT)
• udp fixes
  • Karen L. Pieper (Tue Dec 02 1997 - 11:21:50 PST)

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